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		<title>By: TMF Associates MSS blog &#187; Jay cries uncle&#8230;</title>
		<link>https://tmfassociates.com/blog/2016/03/27/finding-the-poison-pill/comment-page-1/#comment-81784</link>
		<dc:creator>TMF Associates MSS blog &#187; Jay cries uncle&#8230;</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 May 2016 19:52:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] cooperation (as I had assumed) or if Microsoft anticipated the issuance of an order that all sides acknowledged would require more testing and was simply preparing to conduct its own testing after that [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] cooperation (as I had assumed) or if Microsoft anticipated the issuance of an order that all sides acknowledged would require more testing and was simply preparing to conduct its own testing after that [...]</p>
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		<title>By: TMF Associates MSS blog &#187; Heading for last chance saloon&#8230;</title>
		<link>https://tmfassociates.com/blog/2016/03/27/finding-the-poison-pill/comment-page-1/#comment-81683</link>
		<dc:creator>TMF Associates MSS blog &#187; Heading for last chance saloon&#8230;</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 May 2016 21:11:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] it looks probable that Globalstar was derailed not just by Google&#8217;s poison pill, but also by growing worries about potential interference with Bluetooth hearing aids, a topic that [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] it looks probable that Globalstar was derailed not just by Google&#8217;s poison pill, but also by growing worries about potential interference with Bluetooth hearing aids, a topic that [...]</p>
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		<title>By: ORBITRAX</title>
		<link>https://tmfassociates.com/blog/2016/03/27/finding-the-poison-pill/comment-page-1/#comment-81467</link>
		<dc:creator>ORBITRAX</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 10 Apr 2016 06:21:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yes, I agree and was basically my point about the lack of the GPS receiver in the 1600/1700 product line. Google is prodding the FCC to see the details.  But, you don&#039;t actually need to launch a live network to see the results. Because it can&#039;t work with the 1600/1700 products.

Rumors/Talk of a larger scale test deployment would force Globalstar&#039;s hand regarding co-frequency coordination between MSS and TLPS.

 If it is segmentation, then, as you stated, Google plays the no need for sole use of Channel 14 card. Besides, Globlastar would likely need a modification of it&#039;s COFACE covenants to fund any larger scale test deployment due to their restrictions on CapEx spending.. Like you correctly point out.. Segmentation into the 2495-2500Mhz would likely cause extreme capacity problems in areas with multiple gateways like North America, with each Gateway perhaps only being assigned one channel at a time. Of course the more obvious answer would be the creation of a Spectrum Access AP. Sample the LBand for any MSS transmissions, if any exist, then move the traffic to another Wifi  Channel in the 2.4Ghz band. Then it&#039;s fool proof.   Globalstar could change it&#039;s band segmentation at any time and the LBand transmission would trigger the spectrum reassignment on the WiFi AP. Surprised Google hasn&#039;t shown up with one yet!   Just a thought.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes, I agree and was basically my point about the lack of the GPS receiver in the 1600/1700 product line. Google is prodding the FCC to see the details.  But, you don&#8217;t actually need to launch a live network to see the results. Because it can&#8217;t work with the 1600/1700 products.</p>
<p>Rumors/Talk of a larger scale test deployment would force Globalstar&#8217;s hand regarding co-frequency coordination between MSS and TLPS.</p>
<p> If it is segmentation, then, as you stated, Google plays the no need for sole use of Channel 14 card. Besides, Globlastar would likely need a modification of it&#8217;s COFACE covenants to fund any larger scale test deployment due to their restrictions on CapEx spending.. Like you correctly point out.. Segmentation into the 2495-2500Mhz would likely cause extreme capacity problems in areas with multiple gateways like North America, with each Gateway perhaps only being assigned one channel at a time. Of course the more obvious answer would be the creation of a Spectrum Access AP. Sample the LBand for any MSS transmissions, if any exist, then move the traffic to another Wifi  Channel in the 2.4Ghz band. Then it&#8217;s fool proof.   Globalstar could change it&#8217;s band segmentation at any time and the LBand transmission would trigger the spectrum reassignment on the WiFi AP. Surprised Google hasn&#8217;t shown up with one yet!   Just a thought.</p>
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		<title>By: timfarrar</title>
		<link>https://tmfassociates.com/blog/2016/03/27/finding-the-poison-pill/comment-page-1/#comment-81459</link>
		<dc:creator>timfarrar</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 09 Apr 2016 02:29:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree the FCC&#039;s rationale for letting MSS operators use their satellite spectrum for terrestrial deployment without an auction was the need for common control to prevent interference. Globalstar&#039;s NPRM petition was aligned with that mandate.

But other operators haven&#039;t actually planned real time co-frequency operation of MSS and terrestrial devices, merely band segmentation which could (at least in theory) be shifted in the event of an emergency requiring more spectrum for MSS (e.g. an earthquake or hurricane which knocked out power to terrestrial networks). However, in practice the need for filters to implement this band segmentation would probably prevent most MSS devices from taking advantage of any additional spectrum.

Google rightly suspects that Globalstar&#039;s (not yet implemented) NOS likewise is incapable of supporting co-frequency operation between MSS and TLPS. Globalstar would either use band segmentation, or (more likely given any BRS/EBS deployments in the 2496-2500MHz band will be at much higher power) simply ignore any potential interference problems, just as they did with Open Range.

That&#039;s why Google are asking to see the details: if Globalstar reveals there is no means of preventing interference from TLPS to MSS devices, they will argue that the (MSS-based) rationale for Globalstar to have sole use of Channel 14 WiFi is ill-founded.

On the other hand, Globalstar could argue that band segmentation is implemented at the gateway, if it uses only the 2495-2500MHz part of its spectrum in &quot;normal&quot; conditions and then has the potential to extend it to other parts of the S-band in &quot;emergency&quot; conditions. That would not require any intervention from the NOS other than to (potentially) shut down TLPS base stations if the segmentation is changed.

Globalstar could argue it has no guarantee other non-TLPS Channel 14 users would be shut down in these circumstances. But I doubt Globalstar will say that it intends to implement band segmentation and not operate TLPS and MSS in the same frequencies because it would limit capacity (especially given the multiple gateways in North America) if only the highest four S-band channels were used (not to mention the bigger potential problem of BRS/EBS interference).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree the FCC&#8217;s rationale for letting MSS operators use their satellite spectrum for terrestrial deployment without an auction was the need for common control to prevent interference. Globalstar&#8217;s NPRM petition was aligned with that mandate.</p>
<p>But other operators haven&#8217;t actually planned real time co-frequency operation of MSS and terrestrial devices, merely band segmentation which could (at least in theory) be shifted in the event of an emergency requiring more spectrum for MSS (e.g. an earthquake or hurricane which knocked out power to terrestrial networks). However, in practice the need for filters to implement this band segmentation would probably prevent most MSS devices from taking advantage of any additional spectrum.</p>
<p>Google rightly suspects that Globalstar&#8217;s (not yet implemented) NOS likewise is incapable of supporting co-frequency operation between MSS and TLPS. Globalstar would either use band segmentation, or (more likely given any BRS/EBS deployments in the 2496-2500MHz band will be at much higher power) simply ignore any potential interference problems, just as they did with Open Range.</p>
<p>That&#8217;s why Google are asking to see the details: if Globalstar reveals there is no means of preventing interference from TLPS to MSS devices, they will argue that the (MSS-based) rationale for Globalstar to have sole use of Channel 14 WiFi is ill-founded.</p>
<p>On the other hand, Globalstar could argue that band segmentation is implemented at the gateway, if it uses only the 2495-2500MHz part of its spectrum in &#8220;normal&#8221; conditions and then has the potential to extend it to other parts of the S-band in &#8220;emergency&#8221; conditions. That would not require any intervention from the NOS other than to (potentially) shut down TLPS base stations if the segmentation is changed.</p>
<p>Globalstar could argue it has no guarantee other non-TLPS Channel 14 users would be shut down in these circumstances. But I doubt Globalstar will say that it intends to implement band segmentation and not operate TLPS and MSS in the same frequencies because it would limit capacity (especially given the multiple gateways in North America) if only the highest four S-band channels were used (not to mention the bigger potential problem of BRS/EBS interference).</p>
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		<title>By: ORBITRAX</title>
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		<dc:creator>ORBITRAX</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 09 Apr 2016 01:28:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The argument circulated that Channel 14 (unlicensed) can not be opened to the commons, is based on the concept that MSS must be protected and a common control mechanism to regulate MSS/ATC AWS-5 operations.</p>
<p>Globalstar&#8217;s Petition requests.<br />
&#8220;Add co-primary Fixed and Mobile allocations to the 2483.5-2495 MHz band (or “AWS-5??? band);<br />
Modify Globalstar’s Big LEO license to include AWS-5 terrestrial authority, with common control of MSS and AWS-5 operations enabling intensive coordination to minimize interference to Globalstar’s MSS offerings;&#8221;</p>
<p>Likewise, the FCC&#8217;s own NPRM states</p>
<p>4 In adopting ATC rules, the Commission found that there were spectrum efficiency benefits to “dynamic allocation??? of frequency use and that those benefits can only be realized by having one licensee control both the MSS and terrestrial rights in bands allocated for MSS. </p>
<p>The entire argument on not opening Channel 14 to the commons is based on the &#8220;need&#8221; for some sort of &#8220;dynamic spectrum access control&#8221; to prevent interference to MSS.  Obviously, you would need some control platform to provide this benefit, and it appears that, at least Google is under the perception that the NOS will act as some form of Spectrum Access control mechanism. </p>
<p>In Google&#8217;s  latest ExParte they state:<br />
&#8220;At a minimum, Globalstar should be required to (a) publish all protocol(s) its Network Operating System (NOS) uses to authorize spectrum used by TLPS devices in Channel 14  and (b) demonstrate<br />
that the NOS is capable of exchanging with non-TLPS devices all information NEEDED FOR SPECTRUM USE use in Channel 14, </p>
<p>So it appears that Globalstar, the FCC, and at least Google seem to be under the impression that the NOS,or some Spectrum Access control system is required/involved with Spectrum management between MSS and TLPS. </p>
<p>If there were some sort of  common control of Spectrum Access as envisioned  by the Petition and the NPRM.  Then Globalstar would need to know the precise location of both the TLPS AP&#8217;s and the precise location of the Globalstar UT.  Without integrated GPS receivers in Globalstar UT&#8217;s, then this envisioned coordination would be impossible. Without the need for coordination, with what is referred to here as AWS5, to protect MSS.. Then the reasoning to prevent access by the commons to Channel 14 is mute.</p>
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		<title>By: timfarrar</title>
		<link>https://tmfassociates.com/blog/2016/03/27/finding-the-poison-pill/comment-page-1/#comment-81456</link>
		<dc:creator>timfarrar</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 08 Apr 2016 19:31:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Why would there be any intention to protect the MSS service from TLPS, especially on existing handsets (note there is no protection needed for TLPS since the satellite downlink signal is so weak)? Globalstar has never promised that it intends to give priority to MSS uses (or that handsets would even work in the vicinity of a higher power AWS-5 base station).

As indicated in multiple filings, dating back to &lt;a href=&quot;http://apps.fcc.gov/ecfs/document/view?id=7022114092&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;before the NPRM&lt;/a&gt;, the NOS is only intended to provide a mechanism for other parties (WiFi, Bluetooth, BAS, BRS/EBS) to complain if they receive interference:
&quot;a TLPS NOS will also create a rapid means of specifically identifying and controlling potential interference to adjacent-band operators&quot;

However, in practice the TLPS service will just look like additional noise and the now apparently ultra-low power operations will have little impact when the satellite handset must be used outdoors and the TLPS deployments will presumably be almost all indoors.

Note that other intended terrestrial deployments in MSS spectrum (e.g. LightSquared) have only aimed to protect existing safety critical terminals. Inmarsat&#039;s first generation ISatPhone handsets would have been unable to operate in the vicinity of the LightSquared tower (if they had deployed the downlink as originally intended), whereas maritime and aeronautical terminals would have had filters retrofitted to them. Newer Inmarsat terminals do now incorporate filters and won&#039;t need to be retrofitted.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Why would there be any intention to protect the MSS service from TLPS, especially on existing handsets (note there is no protection needed for TLPS since the satellite downlink signal is so weak)? Globalstar has never promised that it intends to give priority to MSS uses (or that handsets would even work in the vicinity of a higher power AWS-5 base station).</p>
<p>As indicated in multiple filings, dating back to <a href="http://apps.fcc.gov/ecfs/document/view?id=7022114092" rel="nofollow">before the NPRM</a>, the NOS is only intended to provide a mechanism for other parties (WiFi, Bluetooth, BAS, BRS/EBS) to complain if they receive interference:<br />
&#8220;a TLPS NOS will also create a rapid means of specifically identifying and controlling potential interference to adjacent-band operators&#8221;</p>
<p>However, in practice the TLPS service will just look like additional noise and the now apparently ultra-low power operations will have little impact when the satellite handset must be used outdoors and the TLPS deployments will presumably be almost all indoors.</p>
<p>Note that other intended terrestrial deployments in MSS spectrum (e.g. LightSquared) have only aimed to protect existing safety critical terminals. Inmarsat&#8217;s first generation ISatPhone handsets would have been unable to operate in the vicinity of the LightSquared tower (if they had deployed the downlink as originally intended), whereas maritime and aeronautical terminals would have had filters retrofitted to them. Newer Inmarsat terminals do now incorporate filters and won&#8217;t need to be retrofitted.</p>
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		<title>By: ORBITRAX</title>
		<link>https://tmfassociates.com/blog/2016/03/27/finding-the-poison-pill/comment-page-1/#comment-81455</link>
		<dc:creator>ORBITRAX</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 08 Apr 2016 18:21:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I find the concept of this &quot;NOS&quot; fascinating.  No one seems to have mentioned that non of the current lineup of the Globalstar duplex phones/modems have a GPS receiver?  Globalstar patented a &quot;triangulation&quot; scheme to provide &quot;vague&quot; position location to determine international borders back in 1997 or so..  Back in 2001, I used a 1600 which would not provide me service about 3 miles from the Mexican boarder because I didn&#039;t have roaming for Mexico as a subscriber.  However, the system deduced that I was in Mexico instead of in the US.  Now that vague approximation was with 48 satellites in it&#039;s constellation.  Now with 32 or less, One can only assume that the triangulation opportunities would be less, and location determination worse. 

Not sure how beneficial this triangulated &quot;location data&quot; would be to a NOS in this situation.    But, then again, Open Range didn&#039;t have any type of NOS to protect MSS, and that operated at power levels 1000&quot;s of % higher than WiFi. 

ORBITRAX  .</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I find the concept of this &#8220;NOS&#8221; fascinating.  No one seems to have mentioned that non of the current lineup of the Globalstar duplex phones/modems have a GPS receiver?  Globalstar patented a &#8220;triangulation&#8221; scheme to provide &#8220;vague&#8221; position location to determine international borders back in 1997 or so..  Back in 2001, I used a 1600 which would not provide me service about 3 miles from the Mexican boarder because I didn&#8217;t have roaming for Mexico as a subscriber.  However, the system deduced that I was in Mexico instead of in the US.  Now that vague approximation was with 48 satellites in it&#8217;s constellation.  Now with 32 or less, One can only assume that the triangulation opportunities would be less, and location determination worse. </p>
<p>Not sure how beneficial this triangulated &#8220;location data&#8221; would be to a NOS in this situation.    But, then again, Open Range didn&#8217;t have any type of NOS to protect MSS, and that operated at power levels 1000&#8243;s of % higher than WiFi. </p>
<p>ORBITRAX  .</p>
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		<title>By: dane1234</title>
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		<dc:creator>dane1234</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 27 Mar 2016 23:54:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What about protection of co-channel TV BAS Channel A10 stations, a licensed and co-primary service?  Part 15 WiFi anything is obligated to protect any licensed service.  TLPS, as a newcomer co-primary service, would also be obligated to protect TV BAS, as an incumbent co-primary service.  The effectiveness of a post hoc telephone call to a Globalstar NOS for interference mitigation is not credible.  If the Google ex parte filing delays an otherwise imminent R&amp;O, then great.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What about protection of co-channel TV BAS Channel A10 stations, a licensed and co-primary service?  Part 15 WiFi anything is obligated to protect any licensed service.  TLPS, as a newcomer co-primary service, would also be obligated to protect TV BAS, as an incumbent co-primary service.  The effectiveness of a post hoc telephone call to a Globalstar NOS for interference mitigation is not credible.  If the Google ex parte filing delays an otherwise imminent R&amp;O, then great.</p>
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