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		<title>By: timfarrar</title>
		<link>https://tmfassociates.com/blog/2011/06/14/putting-everything-on-red/comment-page-1/#comment-548</link>
		<dc:creator>timfarrar</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Jun 2011 23:42:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The in-orbit satellite and 2GHz spectrum cannot be sold separately because the spectrum rights are associated with the in-orbit satellite (thus a purchase of TSN is essentially a purchase of the satellite with its spectrum rights included).

The ground spare satellite (secured by a ~$100M PMCF) could be sold separately, but there is no indication that this is additional to the bid range that has been published, and every likelihood that $1.4B high end of the range incorporates paying off the PMCF and taking ownership of the ground spare. If another bidder wanted to pay more than $100M for the ground spare then that could provide some incremental value to the TSN estate. The ground spare was appraised for $200M last summer, but there is no indication that this could be realized in a sale to a third party, especially given the costs associated with repurposing the satellite for some alternative use.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The in-orbit satellite and 2GHz spectrum cannot be sold separately because the spectrum rights are associated with the in-orbit satellite (thus a purchase of TSN is essentially a purchase of the satellite with its spectrum rights included).</p>
<p>The ground spare satellite (secured by a ~$100M PMCF) could be sold separately, but there is no indication that this is additional to the bid range that has been published, and every likelihood that $1.4B high end of the range incorporates paying off the PMCF and taking ownership of the ground spare. If another bidder wanted to pay more than $100M for the ground spare then that could provide some incremental value to the TSN estate. The ground spare was appraised for $200M last summer, but there is no indication that this could be realized in a sale to a third party, especially given the costs associated with repurposing the satellite for some alternative use.</p>
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		<title>By: sandy_s157</title>
		<link>https://tmfassociates.com/blog/2011/06/14/putting-everything-on-red/comment-page-1/#comment-547</link>
		<dc:creator>sandy_s157</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Jun 2011 23:15:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks Tim..

One more question....what about the valuation of Terrestar Satellites? Will that value not contribute to the TSC&#039;s debt? How much do you think both the satellites combines are valued at?

Total valuation - 1.4 B (2MHz specvtrum) + 250M (1.4 GHz spectrum) + (~300 million for 2 satellites?) . 

For the above case, the debt for both TSN and TSC should be convered...Thoughts?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks Tim..</p>
<p>One more question&#8230;.what about the valuation of Terrestar Satellites? Will that value not contribute to the TSC&#8217;s debt? How much do you think both the satellites combines are valued at?</p>
<p>Total valuation &#8211; 1.4 B (2MHz specvtrum) + 250M (1.4 GHz spectrum) + (~300 million for 2 satellites?) . </p>
<p>For the above case, the debt for both TSN and TSC should be convered&#8230;Thoughts?</p>
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		<title>By: timfarrar</title>
		<link>https://tmfassociates.com/blog/2011/06/14/putting-everything-on-red/comment-page-1/#comment-546</link>
		<dc:creator>timfarrar</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Jun 2011 22:16:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The only other meaningful asset of TSC is the 1.4GHz spectrum. See this post: http://tmfassociates.com/blog/2010/08/31/untangling-the-mystery-of-the-1-4ghz-spectrum/ for details of that spectrum.

Harbinger has the option to buy that spectrum for $250M minus credit for lease payments to date and pay part of this sum in TSC preferred shares at face value. The FCC sold this spectrum in 2007 for $123.6M. Neither of these valuations would come close to paying off the ~$500M of TSC debts and preferred stock.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The only other meaningful asset of TSC is the 1.4GHz spectrum. See this post: <a href="http://tmfassociates.com/blog/2010/08/31/untangling-the-mystery-of-the-1-4ghz-spectrum/" rel="nofollow">http://tmfassociates.com/blog/2010/08/31/untangling-the-mystery-of-the-1-4ghz-spectrum/</a> for details of that spectrum.</p>
<p>Harbinger has the option to buy that spectrum for $250M minus credit for lease payments to date and pay part of this sum in TSC preferred shares at face value. The FCC sold this spectrum in 2007 for $123.6M. Neither of these valuations would come close to paying off the ~$500M of TSC debts and preferred stock.</p>
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		<title>By: spectrum</title>
		<link>https://tmfassociates.com/blog/2011/06/14/putting-everything-on-red/comment-page-1/#comment-545</link>
		<dc:creator>spectrum</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Jun 2011 22:08:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Did you mean that if TSN goes above 1.4B then 88% of the proceeds will go to TSC. In that case, I assume that common equity holders will get something as TSC will be having some diffrent plan to cover their debtholders which might include sale of 1.4Ghz spectrum. How much do you 1.4Ghz is valued. Thanks a lot for your replies.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Did you mean that if TSN goes above 1.4B then 88% of the proceeds will go to TSC. In that case, I assume that common equity holders will get something as TSC will be having some diffrent plan to cover their debtholders which might include sale of 1.4Ghz spectrum. How much do you 1.4Ghz is valued. Thanks a lot for your replies.</p>
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		<title>By: timfarrar</title>
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		<dc:creator>timfarrar</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Jun 2011 21:49:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Unless the auction results in proceeds of more than ~$1.3B-$1.4B (i.e. TSN&#039;s debts are paid in full), nothing will flow to TSC (apart from some of TSC&#039;s claims asserted in the TSN bankruptcy for ~$50M or so). Above that level, 88% of proceeds go to TSC and 12% to LightSquared. The TSC proceeds first go to the TSC debtholders and then the Preferred Stock holders in TSC and only after these are fully paid (~$500M) would the common stockholders in TSC benefit.

Thus by my calculations you would need the TSN auction (plus the sale of TSC&#039;s 1.4GHz spectrum assets) to result in total proceeds approaching $2B before the common equity holders in TSC saw any return on their investment.

Unfortunately a $1.2B-$1.4B deal for TSN (unless it went much higher during a subsequent auction) would almost certainly leave the TSC common equity holders with nothing. If the other first lien holders are being taken out at full value for cash (as would be implied by a stalking horse bid from DISH at this level), then there is not much incentive for them to bid more. Whether MetroPCS is prepared to bid more is unclear, but its worth noting that it was only with the support of Harbinger and Solus that they were able to make a $1.475B bid for DBSD back in March, and the contemplated total bid for DBSD and TerreStar combined at that time was $2.6B.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Unless the auction results in proceeds of more than ~$1.3B-$1.4B (i.e. TSN&#8217;s debts are paid in full), nothing will flow to TSC (apart from some of TSC&#8217;s claims asserted in the TSN bankruptcy for ~$50M or so). Above that level, 88% of proceeds go to TSC and 12% to LightSquared. The TSC proceeds first go to the TSC debtholders and then the Preferred Stock holders in TSC and only after these are fully paid (~$500M) would the common stockholders in TSC benefit.</p>
<p>Thus by my calculations you would need the TSN auction (plus the sale of TSC&#8217;s 1.4GHz spectrum assets) to result in total proceeds approaching $2B before the common equity holders in TSC saw any return on their investment.</p>
<p>Unfortunately a $1.2B-$1.4B deal for TSN (unless it went much higher during a subsequent auction) would almost certainly leave the TSC common equity holders with nothing. If the other first lien holders are being taken out at full value for cash (as would be implied by a stalking horse bid from DISH at this level), then there is not much incentive for them to bid more. Whether MetroPCS is prepared to bid more is unclear, but its worth noting that it was only with the support of Harbinger and Solus that they were able to make a $1.475B bid for DBSD back in March, and the contemplated total bid for DBSD and TerreStar combined at that time was $2.6B.</p>
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		<title>By: sandy_s157</title>
		<link>https://tmfassociates.com/blog/2011/06/14/putting-everything-on-red/comment-page-1/#comment-543</link>
		<dc:creator>sandy_s157</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Jun 2011 21:45:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Adding to the above comment....now it seems that we have multiple competitors and for sure there will now be multiple bids. I am looking forward for your comments on above news and questions..</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Adding to the above comment&#8230;.now it seems that we have multiple competitors and for sure there will now be multiple bids. I am looking forward for your comments on above news and questions..</p>
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		<title>By: spectrum</title>
		<link>https://tmfassociates.com/blog/2011/06/14/putting-everything-on-red/comment-page-1/#comment-542</link>
		<dc:creator>spectrum</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Jun 2011 21:41:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Just found this great news... What do u think ...I think it can easily go more than 1.5B. What do u think... In that case what TSC will get...
http://www.reuters.com/article/2011/06/14/us-terrestar-exclusive-idUSTRE75D6AA20110614</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just found this great news&#8230; What do u think &#8230;I think it can easily go more than 1.5B. What do u think&#8230; In that case what TSC will get&#8230;<br />
<a href="http://www.reuters.com/article/2011/06/14/us-terrestar-exclusive-idUSTRE75D6AA20110614" rel="nofollow">http://www.reuters.com/article/2011/06/14/us-terrestar-exclusive-idUSTRE75D6AA20110614</a></p>
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		<title>By: spectrum</title>
		<link>https://tmfassociates.com/blog/2011/06/14/putting-everything-on-red/comment-page-1/#comment-541</link>
		<dc:creator>spectrum</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Jun 2011 21:26:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks a lot for your prompt reply. How much percentage do you think TSC will be getting from this sale. In March, DBSD went for 1.5B after the auction so don&#039;t you think that TSN is worth atleast 1.5B or more.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks a lot for your prompt reply. How much percentage do you think TSC will be getting from this sale. In March, DBSD went for 1.5B after the auction so don&#8217;t you think that TSN is worth atleast 1.5B or more.</p>
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		<title>By: timfarrar</title>
		<link>https://tmfassociates.com/blog/2011/06/14/putting-everything-on-red/comment-page-1/#comment-540</link>
		<dc:creator>timfarrar</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Jun 2011 20:15:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The fact that the bidding deadlines were postponed for a week tends to suggest that there is some competition to be the stalking horse bidders. It would be logical to assume that the other first lien holders (i.e. not Echostar) would be bidding to at least assure that the first lien debt is covered (i.e. a stalking horse bid of ~$1.1B). Possibly they might team up with Harbinger, in which case they would presumably also cover the exchangeable notes, where Harbinger owns a majority stake (i.e. a stalking horse bid of ~$1.3B).

The alternative stalking horse bidder is unclear, but most observers have assumed that DISH is interested, even though Echostar has said previously that it does not intend to bid.

It is possible that there could be further bids in the auction next week, but it is equally possible that there might be no further challenge to the successful stalking horse bidder.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The fact that the bidding deadlines were postponed for a week tends to suggest that there is some competition to be the stalking horse bidders. It would be logical to assume that the other first lien holders (i.e. not Echostar) would be bidding to at least assure that the first lien debt is covered (i.e. a stalking horse bid of ~$1.1B). Possibly they might team up with Harbinger, in which case they would presumably also cover the exchangeable notes, where Harbinger owns a majority stake (i.e. a stalking horse bid of ~$1.3B).</p>
<p>The alternative stalking horse bidder is unclear, but most observers have assumed that DISH is interested, even though Echostar has said previously that it does not intend to bid.</p>
<p>It is possible that there could be further bids in the auction next week, but it is equally possible that there might be no further challenge to the successful stalking horse bidder.</p>
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		<title>By: spectrum</title>
		<link>https://tmfassociates.com/blog/2011/06/14/putting-everything-on-red/comment-page-1/#comment-539</link>
		<dc:creator>spectrum</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Jun 2011 20:02:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi..It is also wonderful to see your posts. What do you think that who will be the stalking horse bidder for TSTR. Will Harbinger and Echsostar will be interested in buying TSTR as tomorrow (June 15) is the final date to submit Bid for TSTR. Thanks...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi..It is also wonderful to see your posts. What do you think that who will be the stalking horse bidder for TSTR. Will Harbinger and Echsostar will be interested in buying TSTR as tomorrow (June 15) is the final date to submit Bid for TSTR. Thanks&#8230;</p>
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